<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-370396299657476662</id><updated>2011-07-07T14:54:27.975-07:00</updated><category term='Father'/><category term='existence of God'/><category term='Truth'/><category term='good book'/><category term='trust'/><category term='DNA'/><category term='relationship'/><category term='good'/><category term='God is dead'/><category term='Holy Spirit'/><category term='nature'/><category term='atheism'/><category term='shack'/><category term='tradgedy'/><category term='forgiveness'/><category term='complexity'/><category term='objective reasons'/><category term='Nietzsche'/><category term='embryology'/><category term='agnosticism;'/><category term='rejection of God'/><category term='human eye'/><category term='&quot;life continuum&quot;'/><category term='humanhood'/><category term='trinity'/><category term='Plato'/><category term='&quot;beginning of Life&quot;'/><category term='pattern'/><category term='design'/><category term='william'/><category term='Jesus'/><category term='evil'/><category term='Abortion'/><category term='cave'/><category term='young'/><category term='human'/><category term='&quot;human nature&quot;'/><title type='text'>The Berean Log</title><subtitle type='html'>Ideas are useful, questions are excellent, convictions are essential.  Scratch the surface of your world view to discover the foundation.  Gold is refined by fire and grain is separated from chaff by strong winds. Perfect Love drives out all fear. The only rule of this blog is "try out all ideas and respect all"</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Jollygreen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04587674125676546430</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>8</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-370396299657476662.post-8177690698365688869</id><published>2009-11-24T12:58:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-11-24T12:59:08.845-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Robbie's visit in Switzerland</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EmYmo6af0U0/SwxJF74rvUI/AAAAAAAAACo/YwOl6woKrG0/s1600/P1030766.JPG"&gt;&lt;img border="0" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EmYmo6af0U0/SwxJF74rvUI/AAAAAAAAACo/YwOl6woKrG0/s320/P1030766.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 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float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EmYmo6af0U0/SN5-Z66w_OI/AAAAAAAAACA/qLKWnJn_O4k/s320/Million+Missing+Links.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5250773199338142946" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you have a hard time accepting &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;God&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;creating everything from nothing&lt;/span&gt;, consider the alternative... &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"&gt;nothing evolved into everything...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/370396299657476662-914631508760126830?l=jollygreen59.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/feeds/914631508760126830/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=370396299657476662&amp;postID=914631508760126830' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/914631508760126830'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/914631508760126830'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/2008/09/million-missing-links.html' title='A billion Missing links'/><author><name>Jollygreen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04587674125676546430</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EmYmo6af0U0/SN5-Z66w_OI/AAAAAAAAACA/qLKWnJn_O4k/s72-c/Million+Missing+Links.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-370396299657476662.post-5271276656469630487</id><published>2008-09-11T01:21:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-20T03:14:57.590-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trust'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='young'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='forgiveness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='good book'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trinity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holy Spirit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tradgedy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='william'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evil'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Father'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='relationship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shack'/><title type='text'>The Shack</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.theshackbook.com/"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EmYmo6af0U0/SM15pZw9CZI/AAAAAAAAABw/guJjb22TLrY/s320/shackshrtbanner.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5245982893154306450" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"&gt;This book gave me opportunities to enjoy mind blowing fireworks, several aha! moments and a sense of deep cleansing and healing.  Here is a list of random thoughts that spilled out while reading...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;&lt;li&gt;God is quite fond of you.  He is never disappointed since he knows the end from the beginning and is never surprised by the choices you make.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Brokenness and a senseless need for Independence... are at the root of many of our own failing relationships.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;R-e-l-a-t-i-o-n-s-h-i-p-s are part of life's most important moments and treasures. Might as well work on those and enjoy life while you are at it.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Is God present when evil happens?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;God's love does not depend on circumstances, performance, efforts.  His love helps me deal with my own disappointments, hurts, losses... OK, we know the theory... but are we convinced of these in the midst of tragedy and hardships?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;This book is not so much about explaining the Trinity as it is helping us trust a God who is able to work everything for good and chooses to reveal himself as an attentive and steadfast father, a tender mother.. with a questionable sense of humor, an unpredictable wind, a faithful brother and friend...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;This book is a vivid parable, putting color on concepts that had been stuck in my head in black and white for too long and are slowly making their way to my heart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How many times does our understanding of God's love, mercy and justice crumble under the weight of sin and hardships of everyday life. I walked away from this book with a clearer understanding of God's love for me, forgiveness, grace...&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;If some of those thoughts leave you with a head-tilting, quizzical feeling, well... read the book and it will make more sense.  The few hours you'll need to finish it will be well worth it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Enjoy,&lt;br /&gt;Jollygreen&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/370396299657476662-5271276656469630487?l=jollygreen59.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/feeds/5271276656469630487/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=370396299657476662&amp;postID=5271276656469630487' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/5271276656469630487'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/5271276656469630487'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/2008/09/shack.html' title='The Shack'/><author><name>Jollygreen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04587674125676546430</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EmYmo6af0U0/SM15pZw9CZI/AAAAAAAAABw/guJjb22TLrY/s72-c/shackshrtbanner.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-370396299657476662.post-6320927373962533805</id><published>2008-01-22T12:59:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-26T11:49:06.056-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='embryology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='DNA'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='&quot;beginning of Life&quot;'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Abortion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='&quot;life continuum&quot;'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='humanhood'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='human'/><title type='text'>When does Life begin?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;Disclaimer! Disclaimer!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Three things before we start:&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;If you find there is an issue that hasn't been addressed adequately, please &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; contribute &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;The points made on this page are to be used as a &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;primer &lt;/span&gt;for a discussion on the subject&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Thanks for your &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;comments &lt;/span&gt;and &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;participation&lt;/span&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;OK, let's be honest.  The only reason we are even talking about this issue is to attempt to justify abortion as the legal, ethical, personal  right of a person seeking to deal with one of the logical results of intercourse.  As a person, you began your journey at a specific time...  the question is when?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In any other context, this discussion would merely be an academic exercise.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" href="http://www.life.org.nz/abortionkeyissueswhywomenabort.htm"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Why Women Choose Abortion&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;          &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:85%;color:black;"   &gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;The 2004 Abortion Supervisory Committee (ASC) Report in New Zealand gave the following grounds on which authorisation was given for abortions in 2003:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;table style="width: 363px; height: 266px;" border="1"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="478"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Grounds  &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="47"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Total&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="43"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;%&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="478"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Serious danger to life&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="47"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;11  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="43"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;0.1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="478"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Serious danger to physical health           &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="47"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="43"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;0.1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td style="font-weight: bold;" width="478"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Serious danger to mental health &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="47"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;18,279&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="43"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;98.7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="478"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Combination of serious danger to physical and mental health  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="47"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;75&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="43"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;0.4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="478"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Combination of serious danger to life and mental health  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="47"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="43"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;0.0&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="478"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Substantial risk of physically or mentally abnormal       seriously handicapped child &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="47"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;123&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="43"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;0.7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="478"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Incest and serious danger to mental health - - Offence under s.131 Crimes Act 1961 and serious danger to mental health &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="47"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="43"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;0.0&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="478"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;TOTAL&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="47"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;18,511&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="43"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;100&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Politics, economics, social engineering, eugenics  and other subjective personal choices often seem to be at the root of a decision to abort. Historical positions taken by foundational thinker concerning the practice of abortion seem to indicate that objective search for truth was not always the driving force behind the cultural acceptation for ending the life of unborn children.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Although not very clear on the exact beginning of "personhood", &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Spartans &lt;/span&gt;frowned upon abortion because it ran counter to the desire to raise strong males for military struggles. Yet in Sparta, the practice of leaving a child to die of exposure on a hillside was not considered murder if the child was judged to be unsuitable for some reason&lt;a href="http://8e.devbio.com/article.php?id=162"&gt; (Morowitz and Trefil 1992)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Plato's&lt;/span&gt; belief was that the human soul only entered the body at birth and that abortions should be required of any  woman&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt; expecting&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt; a child above the age of 40 years old.  If this latter course of action failed, then the parents were expected to "dispose" of the newborn child (Bonner 1985)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;The &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;" &gt;Roman stoic philosopher, Seneca&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;, maintains that abortions were frowned upon, but that the practice of aborting to preserve one's figure was common  (Tribe 1990)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;" &gt;Pythagoreans &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;believed that life, begins at conception which is reflected in the Hippocratic oath to "... neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor [...] make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy." Hippocrates' outright disapproval of abortion stemmed from his belief that conception marked the beginning of a human life (Tribe 1990)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;" &gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;, like Plato believed that the State should set the acceptable number of children a couple could have.  Beyond that number, an abortion should be provided "before sensation and life develops in the embryo" (Bonner 1985).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;a name="contents"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255); font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;" &gt;What is&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 51, 255);font-size:85%;" &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);font-size:85%;" &gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99171.htm"&gt;Life&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 51, 255);font-size:85%;" &gt;?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Four primary criteria to determine whether an organism is living or inanimate&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Growth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Ability to reproduce&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Consumption of energy&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Reaction with or impact on its environment&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153); font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;" &gt;Wendell M. Stanley&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;, Nobel Prize winner and discoverer of the tobacco mosaic virus stated that              "The      &lt;em&gt;      essence      &lt;/em&gt;     of life is the      &lt;em&gt;      ability to reproduce&lt;/em&gt;. This is accomplished by the utilization of energy to create order out of disorder, to bring together into a specific predetermined pattern from semiorder or even from chaos all the component parts of that pattern with the perpetuation of that pattern with time. This is life."  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/biographies/MainBiographies/S/Stanley/1.html"&gt;Stanley, Wendell&lt;/a&gt; M. 1957. The nature of viruses, cancer, genes and life - a declaration of dependence. Proc. Amer. Philosoph. Soc., 101:357-370.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204); font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255); font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;" &gt;What allows us to classify a life form as "human&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;" &gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;"?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Compared to other living organisms on Earth, humans are capable of abstract reasoning, language, and introspection. Social interactions between humans have also established an extremely wide variety of traditions, rituals, ethics, values, social norms, and laws which form the basis of human society.  A human being has first a human ascendancy and therefore carries a very &lt;a href="http://www.dnaftb.org/dnaftb/"&gt;distinct genetic combination&lt;/a&gt; that identifies him as a member of the &lt;a href="http://www.humboldt.edu/%7Emrc1/homo.shtml"&gt;Homo genus&lt;/a&gt;. He has the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;" &gt;potential&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt; to contribute to and interact in some form and at some level with other members of that group and will, at some point, be able to understand, internalize, develop and instrumentalize similar values.  Humanhood is determined by &lt;a style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(153, 0, 0);" href="http://www.dnaftb.org/dnaftb/"&gt;DNA&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255); font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;At what point does a human being become a person?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;...the beginning of a new life is exacted by the beginning of fertilization, the reproductive event which is the essence of life&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;(&lt;a href="http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/kisc/kisc_08lifecontinum.html"&gt;The Beginning Of Life And The Establishment Of The Continuum&lt;/a&gt;). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;            Since all human beings can be identified through specific DNA patterns, it is reasonable to say that a two-day                 zygote is human by definition.  What allows some people to dispose of a human life at any point prior to birth can             be two-fold.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;the life of the mother is in danger&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;the human being has not yet reached the status of "person" in their eyes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;            So a natural question could be "at what point in the developmental process is a pre-born human being protected                 as a person"?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;            What some human embryologists say...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Embryology is the study of development of the new individual from      &lt;em&gt;      beginning      &lt;/em&gt; to end. We should, therefore, be alerted as to what contemporary and renowned human embryologists have to say about the beginning of a new life and the beginning of the human being: &lt;/span&gt;    &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;      Moore, Keith L. "This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is       &lt;em&gt;       the beginning&lt;/em&gt;, or       &lt;em&gt;       primordium&lt;/em&gt;,       &lt;em&gt;       of a human being&lt;/em&gt;"&lt;a href="http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/kisc/kisc_08lifecontinum.html#a24" class="refnum" name="b24"&gt;24      &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;      Larsen, William J. ".... gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of       &lt;em&gt;       a new individual&lt;/em&gt;."&lt;a href="http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/kisc/kisc_08lifecontinum.html#a25" class="refnum" name="b25"&gt;25      &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;      Carlson, Bruce M. "Human       &lt;em&gt;       pregnancy       &lt;/em&gt;      begins with the       &lt;em&gt;       fusion       &lt;/em&gt;      of an egg and a sperm ...."&lt;a href="http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/kisc/kisc_08lifecontinum.html#a26" class="refnum" name="b26"&gt;26      &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;      Patten, Bradley M. p. 13 "Fertilized ovum gives rise to       &lt;em&gt;       new individual&lt;/em&gt;". P. 43: ".... the process of       &lt;em&gt;       fertilization       &lt;/em&gt;      .... marks the initiation of the       &lt;em&gt;       life of a new individual&lt;/em&gt;."&lt;a href="http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/kisc/kisc_08lifecontinum.html#a27" class="refnum" name="b27"&gt;27       &lt;/a&gt; Quoting F.R. Lillie: P. 41: ".... in the act of fertilization .... two lives are gathered in one knot .... and are rewoven in &lt;em&gt;       a new individual       &lt;/em&gt;      life-history."&lt;a href="http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/kisc/kisc_08lifecontinum.html#a28" class="refnum" name="b28"&gt;28      &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;      Sadler, T.W. "The development of a       &lt;em&gt;       human being       &lt;/em&gt;      begins with       &lt;em&gt;       fertilization&lt;/em&gt;."&lt;a href="http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/kisc/kisc_08lifecontinum.html#a29" class="refnum" name="b29"&gt;29      &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;      Moore, Keith L. and T.V.N. Persaud. "&lt;em&gt;Human development       &lt;/em&gt;      is a       &lt;em&gt;       continuous       &lt;/em&gt;      process that begins when an oocyte (ovum) from a female is       &lt;em&gt;       fertilized       &lt;/em&gt;      by a sperm (spermatozoan) from a male."&lt;a href="http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/kisc/kisc_08lifecontinum.html#a30" class="refnum" name="b30"&gt;30      &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;      O'Rahilly, Ronan and Fabiola Müller. "&lt;em&gt;Fertilization       &lt;/em&gt;      is an important landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a       &lt;em&gt;       new       &lt;/em&gt;      genetically       &lt;em&gt;       distinct human organism       &lt;/em&gt;      is thereby formed."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/kisc/kisc_08lifecontinum.html#a31" class="refnum" name="b31"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;31&lt;/span&gt;      &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;a style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" name="a24"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;24 Moore, Keith L. 1988. Essentials of Human Embryology. p. 2. B.C. Decker Co., Toronto&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" name="a25"&gt;25&lt;/a&gt; Larsen, William J. 1993. Human Embryology. p. 1. Churchill-Livingston, New York&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" name="a26"&gt;26&lt;/a&gt; Carlson, Bruce M. 1994. Human Embryology and Developmental Biology. p. 3. Mosby, St. Louis&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" name="a27"&gt;27&lt;/a&gt; Patten, Bradley M. 1968. Human Embryology, 3rd Ed. p. 13. McGraw-Hill, New York&lt;a style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" name="a28"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;28&lt;/a&gt; Lillie, F.R 1919. Problems of Fertilization. The University of Chicago Press, Chicago&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" name="a29"&gt;29&lt;/a&gt; Sadler, T.W. 1990. Langman's Medical Embryology, 6th Ed. p 3. Williams and Wilkins, Baltimore&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" name="a30"&gt;30&lt;/a&gt; Moore, Keith L. and T.V.N. Persaud. 1993. The Developing Human, 5th Ed. p. 1. W.B. Saunders Co., Philadelphia&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;a style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" name="a31"&gt;31&lt;/a&gt; O'Rahilly, Ronan and Fabiola Muller. 1992. Human Embryology and Teratology. p. 5. 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font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;TRUTH is like fingerprints, you see it only when you dust for it... &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EmYmo6af0U0/R46GDXi8ZFI/AAAAAAAAAA0/0MOW4uWbVRw/s1600-h/eiffel+tower+vertical+perspective.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EmYmo6af0U0/R46GDXi8ZFI/AAAAAAAAAA0/0MOW4uWbVRw/s320/eiffel+tower+vertical+perspective.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5156206015804105810" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Imagine someone trying to convince you that the Eiffel tower was a product of time and chance and was not built by someone.  How long would you entertain the thought that this highly complex object, containing a great number of recognizable patterns could be the product of Nature rather than a construction of Man?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EmYmo6af0U0/R46HmXi8ZGI/AAAAAAAAAA8/7nRdQ-yeaV8/s1600-h/Rushmore_Main_View.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 139px; height: 104px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EmYmo6af0U0/R46HmXi8ZGI/AAAAAAAAAA8/7nRdQ-yeaV8/s320/Rushmore_Main_View.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5156207716611155042" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Similarly, imagine that Mt. Rushmore &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt;near Keystone, South Dakota &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt;was decreeted a Natural wonder. Would you agree that "time and chance" could, possibly, have been their author?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;p  style="margin-bottom: 0in; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:100%;" &gt;The Complexity argument is based on the ability of human intelligence to separate random or naturalistic patterns from the ones generated by some kind of &lt;a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/intelligence"&gt;intelligence &lt;/a&gt;(the capacity of mind, especially to understand principles, truths, facts or meanings, acquire knowledge, and apply it to practice; the ability to learn and comprehend).&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  style="margin-bottom: 0in; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Beside the fact that these projects are widely known and that nobody would question their origin, we are also able to claim that both of them bear the mark of Intelligent Design and are therefore the product of human efforts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  style="margin-bottom: 0in; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;Can we see pattern and design in the &lt;a href="http://www.med.unc.edu/embryo_images/unit-eye/eye_htms/eyetoc.htm"&gt;human eye&lt;/a&gt;? (&lt;a href="http://news.softpedia.com/news/10-Amazing-Facts-and-Myths-About-Eyes-74813.shtml"&gt;news.softpedia.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ul  style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;one  of nature's wonder that functions like a camera... Only much more  complex... &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;it has 12  million photoreceptors &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;it has 6  muscles that move the ocular sphere with such precision, the eye can  follow moving objects &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;it has 130  photosensitive rods and 7 million color photosensitive cones that turn  light into electric signals which are transmitted to the brain &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;it can only see three basic colors (red, green, mauve) but can  detect 10 million hues&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt; is able to create 3-D images together with the brain &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 153, 0); font-weight: bold;"&gt;All this in a 24 mm-wide ball...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="color: rgb(108, 122, 161);font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:7;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=";font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:7;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(108, 122, 161);"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/370396299657476662-6693977431389885818?l=jollygreen59.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/feeds/6693977431389885818/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=370396299657476662&amp;postID=6693977431389885818' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/6693977431389885818'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/6693977431389885818'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/2008/01/argument-of-complexity.html' title='The Complexity Argument'/><author><name>Jollygreen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04587674125676546430</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EmYmo6af0U0/R46GDXi8ZFI/AAAAAAAAAA0/0MOW4uWbVRw/s72-c/eiffel+tower+vertical+perspective.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-370396299657476662.post-2388886601986969875</id><published>2008-01-13T14:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-04T14:15:58.765-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='existence of God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rejection of God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='agnosticism;'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='objective reasons'/><title type='text'>Does God exist?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255); font-style: italic;"&gt;God's eternal power and divine nature are so obvious in what surrounds us that, in the end, men are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255); font-style: italic;"&gt;without excuse&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255); font-style: italic;"&gt; (Romans 1:20).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 153, 0);font-size:100%;" &gt;What are objective reasons for your belief in God?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;I don't believe there are any "proofs" that could convince someone who is not interested in Truth in general (whatever it might be). Plato understood this and created a masterpiece in the allegory of the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave"&gt;Cave&lt;/a&gt;. This being said, for those who are ready to be surprised by Truth (whatever it might be) there is a flurry of winks and fingerprint trails left by something bigger than we are. Some of them are so explicit and obvious that we are indeed "without excuse". One such fingerprint has to be... Complexity&lt;br /&gt;but there are others... &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 153, 0);font-size:100%;" &gt;If you do not believe God exists, what are your reasons?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Here is something interesting to ponder: &lt;a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/11/30/34-unconvincing-arguments-for-god/"&gt;39 Unconvincing Arguments for God from the Friendly Atheist&lt;/a&gt;. Most of the arguments are subjective (in the sense that the author seems unable to consider the alternative to his position as an option. Objectivity requires a fair treatment of the opposite side... this I did not notice...) or quasi scientific (statement like "there are many transitional links in nature" is easy to make but either there is no scientific consensus or its an unproven assertion.  I am still waiting a worldwide acclaimed discovery of some of the million missing links that have been necessary for us to be where we are today. Is Lucy one of them? the answer is not conclusive.  Even if she was, she is awfully lonely...) and nothing more is expected of Hemant (even friendly atheists seem threatened, at times, by the fact that there is something bigger than they =)). Nevertheless, there are a few points that make for interesting discussions... I'll let you find which ones =)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/370396299657476662-2388886601986969875?l=jollygreen59.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/feeds/2388886601986969875/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=370396299657476662&amp;postID=2388886601986969875' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/2388886601986969875'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/2388886601986969875'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/2008/01/does-god-exist.html' title='Does God exist?'/><author><name>Jollygreen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04587674125676546430</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-370396299657476662.post-6879800921580389654</id><published>2008-01-09T13:46:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-22T00:01:15.302-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God is dead'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nietzsche'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Truth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cave'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Plato'/><title type='text'>God is dead</title><content type='html'>What I find interesting about this statement is that in order to pronounce someone dead, we need to be convinced of his existence...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nietzsche was, of course, entitled to claim the irrelevance of spiritual values. The natural consequences of such choice is, of course, a loss of needed references and a rise in relativism in a world that constantly looks for boundaries. In a relativistic culture, all convictions must be given equal weight. No idea can stand higher than any other in the sea of human thought. The Intenet, a beautiful showcase of human nature, is a good reminder that Man is not ready to renounce personal, material or philosophical gain for the benefit of others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what if Nietzsche was wrong or didn't look in the right places?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/allegory.html"&gt;Plato's allegory of the cave&lt;/a&gt; is a useful tool to show Truth is often hidden from those who do not look for Her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,255);font-size:85%;" &gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&gt;...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style="FONT-FAMILY: arial"&gt;Socrates&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;] And if there were a contest, and he had to compete in measuring the shadows with the prisoners who had never moved out of the cave, while his sight was still weak, and before his eyes had become steady (and the time which would be needed to acquire this new habit of sight might be very considerable) would he not be ridiculous? Men would say of him that up he went and down he came without his eyes; and that it was better not even to think of ascending; and if any one tried to loose another and lead him up to the light, let them only catch the offender, and they would put him to death. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style="FONT-FAMILY: arial"&gt;Glaucon&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;] No question, he said. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: rgb(255,102,0); FONT-STYLE: italic"&gt;TRUTH is like fingerprints, you see it only when you dust for it... =)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;... might be wise to allow us to be challenged by the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The fool says in his heart, "&lt;b&gt;There is no God&lt;/b&gt;." (Psalm 53:1)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;God's eternal power and divine nature are so obvious in what surrounds us that, in the end, men are &lt;b&gt;without excuse&lt;/b&gt;. (Romans 1:20)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Those are heavy words indeed. Evidence is there for anyone who wants to see it. Of course, it is a matter of will.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nevertheless, it is encouraging to know that "everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who &lt;b&gt;knocks&lt;/b&gt;, the door will be &lt;b&gt;opened&lt;/b&gt;". In the end, we mostly find what we set out to see. (Matthew 7:8)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What would be the effect of God's disappearance?&lt;br /&gt;Check &lt;a href="http://nyssaneala.blogspot.com/2007/10/god-is-dead-ron-currie-jr.html"&gt;God is Dead - Ron Currie, Jr.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/370396299657476662-6879800921580389654?l=jollygreen59.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/feeds/6879800921580389654/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=370396299657476662&amp;postID=6879800921580389654' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/6879800921580389654'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/6879800921580389654'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/2008/01/god-is-dead.html' title='God is dead'/><author><name>Jollygreen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04587674125676546430</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-370396299657476662.post-8407267758642522819</id><published>2008-01-07T05:56:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-05T13:55:43.249-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='good'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nature'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='human'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='&quot;human nature&quot;'/><title type='text'>The Real Nature of Human Nature</title><content type='html'>Are human beings intrinsically good or are they bad or evil?&lt;br /&gt;What is "good"?&lt;br /&gt;What is "bad"?&lt;br /&gt;How do you define "Human Nature"?&lt;br /&gt;What is our reference in terms of good and bad?&lt;br /&gt;Do we have an absolute reference for good and bad?&lt;br /&gt;Should we have an absolute reference or is everything relative?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/370396299657476662-8407267758642522819?l=jollygreen59.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/feeds/8407267758642522819/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=370396299657476662&amp;postID=8407267758642522819' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/8407267758642522819'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/370396299657476662/posts/default/8407267758642522819'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jollygreen59.blogspot.com/2008/01/is-human-nature-good.html' title='The Real Nature of Human Nature'/><author><name>Jollygreen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04587674125676546430</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
